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Webbeheerder - 2012-03-26 15:07:40

This shows something about what is written before.
It is about the claim that has been made on Jerusalem and a drawn (nice) movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ygHwwOjp-c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=O7ByJb7QQ9U

Sniperium - 2012-03-01 16:18:51

first of all I do believe in a two state solution if there ever were a true justice solution to this conflict, and there is! all the poor palestinians you speak of ... which they arent at all because they drove out their own people what now is the gaza strip into refugee camps..... to put it bluntly, they caused their OWN people to be miserable. not the jews. from eye withnesses even one I know myself I heard that palestinians dont use the garbage can and dump their trash in their garden in the Judean Hills. (isreali's get the blame for the rats..?) this trash causes land to DIE... you know the basics of botanic life right? these people need more land because they cause the land to die and become a dessert.  

second of all nobody condones of having a gun in their face with a finger on the trigger. would you? would you say oh yes please? that is basicly what the arab leaders create by indoctrination much like a second Nazi reich. have you heard cries in arab television? death to all enemies of islam.... that would be you, me and everyone else in europe and amerika dancing on the gallows... so in short we are dogs and pigs to them... not such a good idea if I have to see some gun crazy nutjob as a neighbour. so if someone tells you that killing your neighbour is oke if it is no believer of islam, would you think that oke? or the pictures of children with a bomb belt? islam worships death as we like to worship life which I think is a good greek concept. in the end they force each and everyone to live as an islamist in arabia and other places.

there is no way in the middle if you are never tought to think but only to hate. so yes I am kinda thinking that they are poor... but then in the fact that the leaders pick up the country at the mercy of religious leaders and use it as a weapon of mass destruction. in fact the refugees of gaza arent even welcome because of the hate against jews in the surrounding lands. odd wouldnt you think? that a people of the brotherhood wouldnt even pick its own "jew infected" people? enough hate to go around I guess....

besides that most of the biblical Israel (which if you dont think it true I think is perfectly fine, each one their own) is already given away under british mandate. the isrealites got 20%.  arab countries 80%.  so why another piece of israel gone? if your country is 80% arab, what would you say if they claim your 20% and want to drive you in the sea a.k.a. kill you? this land issue is kinda like outdated since the UN decides to re share the land but they forget the balfour agreement that only when arabs and israeli's are in agreement this will happen. this has never ONCE in history happened. arabs always refused and even if israel gave land away, they received more missiles and intifada's (attacks/wars) in return.

probably a story you havent heard in europe, during one intifada arabs went to southern israel to claim for themselves land. in doing so they claimed all crossroads and started hurting and damaging israeli property even to theft. after 5 jews were killed, the army shot two arabs in selfdefence and guess what... TADDAAA newjork has got a NEWS UPLINK. after waiting four months holding fire, and only warning arabs, the jews are held responsible though arabs started attacking? what nonsense is this story of cnn then??!! if you eat only your own produce the land gives you in a kibbutz for four months because no one can travel due to arab bullying? who is the poor people then? or is this an unfair question? I leave it up to you to figure the basics, I just gave you the facts.No hard feelings.

media has done a perfect job at twisting the truth.

Websitebeheerder - 2012-03-01 15:53:11

As for me speaking, I do not want the past forgotten, because this generation has to learn from the past. If the past will be forgotten, extremist get the chance to abuse the freedom  we have today (asfar as that goes in this world today).

I understand what you try to say Dema, but  I also think that in every history people make mistakes for more reasons. People and  power are two different things. The Israeli government does not always know what is around the corner (speaking of the future) when a choice will be made under some circumstances (like in Gaza, when it was given away).  Wrong choices based on what is known by a certain moment, can not be mixed with manipulation on purpes by people who want power!

Asfar as the point of Ruben, I agree with that. 

Edit 19.33 hour: You  made me think in a moral way.
What to tell the Israeli mother, that wants to learn her teenager to give everyone a fair chance as a human being (we all want to learn that to our kids). When this very important person, turned out to be  a person with a political violence goal? Can the teenager ever trust another Arabic person, who is indeed a good person?

I have met  a very honoust Arabic person who is working with Israelisch. These people mostly do not want to know anything about any politics. They live between two cultures. I do not understand everything (I am sure), but I know that in a war you never have winners, only losers.  It is time for a righteous judgement! Not only Israel had to give up land(in the past), also the Arabic should do so. They have left 22 other nations, without a part of Israel (that is not theirs, in fact) !

Ruben - 2012-03-01 15:20:33

As a visitor I think I see a few points here:

1. I believe  (and that is what I also see here on the website) in justice for both sides of this difficult problem called 'two nations'. One nation never mentioned in history and one from a  nation that excisted long long ago. Proven by documents from history, as I may say so.
2.  I do not believe in 'preaching hate' to the nation Israel (or people from that nation, where ever, when ever) by leaders of the PA and Hamas that (choose in the past and stil make the same choice today)  refuse to think about peace an helping their own people to find a new home and a new place to live. Please see the link of  Refugees on the page 'Refugees' from this website? 

When Israel was founded it asked the Arabs to stay in their communities, houses and shops and work together with the Israëlisch.  This did not happen because of Palestinian leaders, setting up people with anger, roaring up rebellions and calling for a holy war. That resulted in several thousands Jews being forced out of countries where they have been for ages and even more Palestinians being forced to run as refugees. The Israeli refugees settled again in Israël and other none-Islamic countries. Palestinians at the other hand could not settle in any Islamic country, for the very reason that they were denight core human rights.

None of us has the right to spread hate among any nation, but it is a entirely different fact to denigh human rights to people of your very own nation and after that saying this: "Using people to breed anger and fear, generation after generation and then force them to live in Israël after they are not accepted in any other Islamic country." 

Imagine to be removed from any country or part of the land, time after time, then finally rebuilding again your own home/state/country.  Then in that same period people try to destroy your homeland. What would you do?  React out of fear and gard your family and house or let them tremble over you? Every measure that the Israëli government took,  has been out of self-defence, while trying to maintain a liveble and secure state and life, for both Israëlisch and Palestinian people within her boarders.

I do not live in Israël, but can understand the fear that Palestinians and Israëlisch (both) feel, when Hamas and other extremist use your family and your very lives as a way to keep  this conflict going on for ever....


Dema, I hope you understand my point of view.

Dema - 2012-03-01 06:07:50

Oh plesae....don't you use Jewish victims of European discrimination and racism to prove your twisted point of view. I am sure that those victims rather identify with innocent Palestinians than the immoral settlers and their supporters.Didn't French-Jews have voting rights during the Dreyfus affair (which triggered Zionism)?Of course they did the same way Arab-Israeli do in Israel but in reality they are second class citizens. Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International have extensively covered the treatment of Arabs in Israel.Besides, the Palestinian-Arabs have ZERO RIGHTS under the rule of the Israeli. That's what I am talking about. A regime that erects Jewish-only towns in occupied territory while oppressing the next door Arab town is racist and discriminatory.Tell me why did Israel need to transfer civilian settlers into Gaza now that they removed them? The only reason was to harass the natives so they leave. Israel encouraged its fundamentalist citizens to move to the strip by giving them money and by proving them with all kind of benefits.Did you know that the 7000 fanatics controled about 25% of Gaza while 1.2 million Palestinian s were forced in the rest of the strip?This is not about a balance sheet but about the continuing oppression of millions of innocent people under an illegal military occupation.If Israeli have lands to claim from other Arab states, well LET THEM DO SO.

Webbeheerder - 2011-09-15 16:42:58

De website is in z'n totaliteit doorlopen en aangepast waar nodig. Mocht u niet werkende linken vinden, wilt u dan zo vriendelijk zijn deze te melden via het contactformulier?  Graag de pagina en de niet werkzame link vermelden alstubieft?

Dank u wel voor uw medewerking. 

SuzanneDaniels - 2011-08-23 05:54:46

Different people all over the world get the mortgage loans from various creditors, because this is easy.


Thank you for your respons Suzanne.

It is absolutely true what you say, but in history money was used as a method of pressure. Not very friendly, but rulers used it in the past, to discriminate in a very bad way... We can not imagine how that is  in the West and the rest of the free world, these days. 

Update 06-02-2012:
Correction, it should be normal, but it seems not to be that way....

Please read:
http://www.tzion.nl/page/kerk-en-israel
Subject:
'US Churches against the Jews: Heavenly Intifada
Translated:
'Kerken in de Verenigde Staten tegen de Joden: Hemelse Intifada'

Free Israel - 2011-06-29 15:14:18

Beste Tzion.nl
Het doet mij (ons) echt heel erg veel dat onze site hier op de voorpagina is geplaatst. Wij waarderen dit ontzettend. En zijn hier heel dankbaar voor. 
Groeten,Free Israel Group

Prom Your SIte - 2011-06-09 18:25:41

Beste,

Ik heb uw website bezocht en het ziet er mooi.Zou u misschien ook op mijn website willen kijken en misschien kunnen we wel linken.Mijn website is: www.promyoursite.tk
Alvast bedankt.

Met vriendelijke groet:
Max Esdoorn

www.promyoursite.tk

Free Israel Group - 2011-02-18 16:32:41


Dank u voor uw vriendelijke antwoord.

Nog had ik een vraag: Er zijn veel anti-israëlsites die indirecte steunen krijgen van de regering. om maar iets te noemen: de site van stichting stop de bezetting van Gretta Duisenberg. Daarom ben ik van mening dat al het pro-israëlgeluid moet samenwerken om het nog luider te verspreiden. Hierover zou ik graag contact met u opnemen over hoe we elkaar kunnen helpen.

Heel erg bedankt en shabat shalom.

Kijk ook eens op www.likud.nl     Dat is de grootste partner van mijn website.


L.S.

Het behoort volgens mij niet tot het takenpakket van onze Nederlandse regering (naar mijn smaak) om Anti-Israelsites financiëel te ondersteunen.  Hiermee neem je een standpunt in.....

Dank u wel voor uw reactie.

Update 30 mei 2011:  De link van de Free Israel Group en de Likud is opgenomen bij de linken op de homepagina.

Free Israel - 2011-02-14 17:51:03

Beste staf van Tzion.nl

Ik wil jullie als eerste complimenteren met de indrukwekkende en de informatievolle site. Alleen had ik een vraag: hoe kan je een domeinnaam met -.nl krijgen want dat kost toch heel erg veel geld?

Heel veel hartelijke groeten,

De directie van Free Israel Group


L.S.

De kosten vallen heel erg mee als je maar een goede provider zoekt. Webklik heeft een aantal varianten waar je uit kan kiezen. De één kost wat meer als de andere, echter de service is in alle gevallen heel erg goed.

Dat er voor een domeinnaam gekozen is, is omdat hier een bewuste keus voor gemaakt is.
Het werkt veel prettiger met de hoeveelheid informatie die er nu al op staat.




Anoniem - 2011-01-10 18:50:59

Beste mensen,
ik wou even zeggen dat ik met het meeste op jullie site wel eens ben. veel succes verder.

Raymond - 2010-12-18 10:53:56

Hoi, je hebt een mooie en boeiende site opgericht die veel inzicht geeft over de situatie over Israel, ik zelf ben lid van de maandkrant 'Christenen voor Israel' en lees er zo nu en dan erin. Ga zo door met uw werk, en God zegen je.

Met vriendelijke groet en Gods zegen.

Raymond

F Akkerman - 2010-12-17 13:59:04

Lieve mensen,

Dank jullie voor alle informatie ik heb er veel aan gehad.
Ik ben zelf christen en probeer hier ook naar te leven hoewel ik
ook regelmatig struikel. Door jullie site besef ik maar al te goed
dat de christenen zijn geent op de edele olijfboom. Dat wij God's
uitverkoren volk moeten steunen, helpen en toejuichen. Deze mening ben ik steeds meer toegedaan, omdat ik ook heel veel uit de bijbel heb geleerd van Joodse christenen, bij wie de kennis over God's woord vaak veel groter is dan bij christenen zonder Joodse achtergrond. Ik sluit af met te zeggen ga zo door en mijn hulp zal er altijd zijn. Belangrijker nog dan dat, is dat God zijn volk nimmer zal laten gaan. Israel en haar volk zullen leven voor altijd onder God's bescherming. Amen

Websitebeheerder - 2010-10-29 15:32:03

Uit respect voor een ieder die hier een berichtje post, wil ik u vragen dit te doen op een manier die algemeen aanvaard is. Baseert u alstublieft uw mening/reactie op feiten die geldend zijn?

Onderstaand een link en bijbehorende berichtje van een journalist die besloten heeft openheid van zaken te geven aangaande Gaza. Alle lof voor deze journalist die openheid van zaken durfde te geven. 

http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/mideastdispatches/archives/001114.html
http://www.likud.nl/persnl135.html

THE LIES THE MEDIA AND NGO'S TELL ABOUT GAZA

[All notes below by Tom Gross]

In recent days, the international media, particularly in Europe and the Mideast, has been full of stories about “activist boats sailing to Gaza carrying desperately-needed humanitarian aid and building materials.”

The BBC World Service even led its world news broadcasts with this story at one point over the weekend. (The BBC yesterday boasted that its global news audience has now risen to 220 million persons a week, making it by far the biggest news broadcaster in the world.)

Yet the BBC and other media fail to report on the fancy new restaurants and swimming pools of Gaza, or about the wind surfing competitions on Gaza beaches, or the Strip’s crowded shops and markets.

No, this would spoil their agenda. Playing the manipulative game of the BBC is easy. If we had their vast taxpayer funded resources, we too could produce reports about parts of London, Manchester and Glasgow and make it look as though there is a humanitarian catastrophe throughout the UK. We could produce the same effect by selectively filming seedy parts of Paris and Rome and New York and Los Angeles too.

Of course there is poverty in Gaza. There is poverty in parts of Israel too. (When was the last time a foreign journalist based in Israel left the pampered lounge bars and restaurants of the King David and American Colony hotels in Jerusalem and went to check out the slum-like areas of southern Tel Aviv? Or the hard-hit Negev towns of Netivot or Rahat?)

But the way the BBC and other prominent Western news media are deliberately misleading global audiences and systematically creating the false impression that people are somehow starving in Gaza, and that it is all Israel’s fault, can only serve to increase hatred for the Jewish state – which one suspects was the goal of many of the editors and reporters involved in the first place.


Nederlandse (uitgebreidere) vertaling :
http://brabosh.com/2010/10/21/internationale-media-erkennen-dat-ze-het-publiek-jarenlang-hebben-misleid-over-gaza/



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